Terminology puzzle

[Christopher Dent]

Hello Railwayman 26

This is a bit of a test of memory. The diesel loco nombers were the original numbers given to the ones listed. They were changed in the TOPS scheme about 1975.

D 1363 Not recognised .Certainly not a mainline diesel.
D 140 One of the 'Peak' class diesels of which there were 193. Wheel arrangement
was 1Co-Co1. It became Class 45/46. Was built at Derby with Sultzer engine.
2300 B.H.P
As I was pulled by this one in 8/1976 between Gloucester and Exeter and in
1980 between Exeter and Gloucester. It was allocated at Bristol bath Rd at the

D 210 This as one of the named English Electric Class 4s built by English Electric from
1958. 200 were built mostly for Eastern and Midland. D 210 was allocated to the
Preston division. Wheel arrangement as class above. Name not known.

D 280 Another of the English Electric Class 4s became Class 40. recognised by a high
pitched sound E in musical notation. A North eatern allocation which pulled me
from York to Doncaster in 8/1972.

D315 Yet another EE class 4 from the Manchester Division. It was a D 3?? which
pulled a mail train stopped by the big bank robbers of August 1963 I think.
Include that train in you layout!

D 420 Known by train spotters as the Hoovers. Built at Crewe in the late 60s to haul
Scottish Expressess particularly from Crewe when he West Coast mainline
electrification ended at Crewe.When electrification from Crewe to Glasgow
was opened in May 1974 they were transferred to the Western region and
became the forerunners of the HSTs B.h.p.2700 I think. Another English Elec.

ED 350 Not known and wouls query duplication of number given to a class 40

Re1363 It is the number of a great Western 0-6-0 saddle tank of 1361 class which I believe is preserved. Was used at Plymouth docks possibly.

No doubt others will fill the gaps and correct any errors I have made

Chris Dent

[swisstrains]

Hello Railwayman 26.
What year is the Working Timetable you are using and are these numbers actually printed or have they been written in by someone?
Whilst I agree totally with what Chris has said a genuine WTT wouldn't have individual loco numbers printed in it.

[Madcaravanner]

Originally Posted by Railwayman26

I have a question about terminology, but not related to the previous question.
I have been extracting information from a Working Timetable in order to run my model railway to an actual timetable. Although I know what locomotives to use in most cases from my own observations, I am stumped by some of the terminology in the WTT as to loco type. The references are D1364; D140; D210; D280; D315; D420; ED350. I believe D420 is a class 47 and am certain that ED350 is a class 73, however, I am not sure about the rest which should include class 33 and class 31. Any help would be most appreciated.

D1364; No idea no mainline loco in that number series
D140; = 46003
D210; = 40010
D280; = 40080
D315; = 40135
D420; = 50020
ED350 = ??? possibly ex LMS departmental shunter

[JEB-245584/2]

Originally Posted by Railwayman26

I have a question about terminology, but not related to the previous question.
I have been extracting information from a Working Timetable in order to run my model railway to an actual timetable. Although I know what locomotives to use in most cases from my own observations, I am stumped by some of the terminology in the WTT as to loco type. The references are D1364; D140; D210; D280; D315; D420; ED350. I believe D420 is a class 47 and am certain that ED350 is a class 73, however, I am not sure about the rest which should include class 33 and class 31. Any help would be most appreciated.

Hi Railwayman26, the numbers you refer to are trailing tonnage D is for diesel and E for electric, I have only got LMR WWT's so I would assume that ED is Electro-Diesel.
I will scan the index pages and upload them later.

Cheers John

[JEB-245584/2]

Here is the index page from a London Midland Region mandatory WWT from 1974

Cheers John

[JEB-245584/2]

I hope this conversion chart from the same WWT will also help you, of course it is in relation to the area the timetable covers though in does include all the diesel classes in operation at the time except the Deltics.

Cheers John

[D.O.G.F.A.N.]

Further to what Chris Dent states:
D210 named Empress of Britain. Good picture on Flicker leaving Glasgow.
D326 pulled the mail train which was robbed.
Cheers
Stuart

[Railwayman26]

Thank you all, especially John, for your response to my query. Mystery solved.

[The Decapod]

2/ Railcar is an OLD term (pre 1960's) for a single car unit (a Coach with driving cabs and motor or pick-ups) a single car of the multiple Unit type also called Bubble Car

If my memory serves me correctly, the term 'railcar' didn't just apply to single coach units. First-generation DMU's were generally referred to as railcars. For instance: "...on this occasion the service was provided by a Cravens 2-coach diesel railcar."

[Bubblewrap]

Originally Posted by The Decapod

If my memory serves me correctly, the term 'railcar' didn't just apply to single coach units. First-generation DMU's were generally referred to as railcars. For instance: "...on this occasion the service was provided by a Cravens 2-coach diesel railcar."

Some of the "single coach" units (not all) were known as "rail Buses"