The return of Diesel hydraulics?

[steam for ever]

This type of loco was not around for very long on the network.
It was around for a bit in the industrial sector but now it is less common.
I beleive that becuase it did not have time to develop.
Could this form of technology be revisited?
I like to beleive it, I mean we could find out that after all the known problems have been solved, it could be more efficient than diesel electrics.
There was a bit more character in the Hymeks and westerns than the diesel electrics, with perhaps the exception of the class 55's.

[ccmmick]

Originally Posted by steam for ever

This type of loco was not around for very long on the network.
It was around for a bit in the industrial sector but now it is less common.
I beleive that becuase it did not have time to develop.
Could this form of technology be revisited?
I like to beleive it, I mean we could find out that after all the known problems have been solved, it could be more efficient than diesel electrics.
There was a bit more character in the Hymeks and westerns than the diesel electrics, with perhaps the exception of the class 55's.

I dont think there were many problems with them they gave years of very good service.
The only thing was that they were non standard to the rest of the country.
I agree with you lovely locos and it would be a treat to see them running again but i dont think that will ever happen.
ccmmick

[Foxwall]

Could some kind person give me an "idiots" guide to how the diesel hydraulic engines worked. I understand that diesel electrics generated electricity to drive the traction motors. What did the diesel hydraulic generate to power their traction motors ?

And am i right in thinking that most DMU's were direct drive diesels ?

Thanks

[swisstrains]

Some of the present day DMU's such as Class 170, 175, 180 and 185 are diesel-hydraulics.
Germany has continued to develop Diesel-hydraulics and this type of loco is quite common in mainland Europe.

[ccmmick]

Originally Posted by Foxwall

Could some kind person give me an "idiots" guide to how the diesel hydraulic engines worked. I understand that diesel electrics generated electricity to drive the traction motors. What did the diesel hydraulic generate to power their traction motors ?

And am i right in thinking that most DMU's were direct drive diesels ?

Thanks

Hi Foxwall
This might help you
I worked on these locos at St Blazey a beautiful engine but very complex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_...esel-hydraulic
ccmmick

[lnwr20]

The Diesel -hydraulic was a western design, as usual the Western were doing there own thing not conforming to what the other regions were doing in loco development. An as now has been proved the Diesel-Hydraulic was a poor design otherwise they would still be operating on the mainlines today "Not on preserved lines" or running as excursions with fitter cover just in case they go BANG on the main line but thats just my view.

[62440]

Inwr20. The Warships were based on the German V200's I believe. The diesel-hydraulics were just non standard to the rest of the B.R. fleet, all the other regions opted for electric transmission while the erstwhile G.W.R. went on it's own merry way and no-one at the top tried to stop it. The least reliable of the hydraulics seemed to be those built by North British; the class 41's, 43's, and 22's.
Cheers,62440

[ccmmick]

Originally Posted by 62440

Inwr20. The Warships were based on the German V200's I believe. The diesel-hydraulics were just non standard to the rest of the B.R. fleet, all the other regions opted for electric transmission while the erstwhile G.W.R. went on it's own merry way and no-one at the top tried to stop it. The least reliable of the hydraulics seemed to be those built by North British; the class 41's, 43's, and 22's.
Cheers,62440

I agree with you the early North British were crap also the 600s
But the 800s and 1000s were good locos they gave very good service.
We had the type 22s at St Blazey fased out in early 70s and replaced by Rats.
ccmmick

[Foxwall]

Originally Posted by ccmmick

Hi Foxwall
This might help you
I worked on these locos at St Blazey a beautiful engine but very complex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_...esel-hydraulic
ccmmick

Thanks rather complex, so basically oil under pressure powered the traction motors.

And to think not so long back i thought all diesel locos were powered like diesel buses or lorries but with bigger engines.

[steam for ever]

What about the hymeks?
How has the service they gave?
This type was more of a mixed traffic design.
I agree that the western region had no real interest of the outside world.
It just goes to show that GWR was not prepared to die.
It was not until the closure of swindon that practices faded away.